Fox News viewers overwhelmingly misinformed about health care reform proposals.

Unfortunately, that is what our political scene has degenerated into - a 3 ring circus.

Fox News is to journalism...what paint-by-number is to art.

I'll agree with that, as long as you include CNN, NBC, ABC, HLN, & every other mainstream media outlet into that equation.

Fox news does serve a purpose but I do not agree that anyone person should look to Fox as their sole outlet for news all are extremely biased and should be viewed with that in mind if you want real news you have to watch fox and NBC (or any of the other Obvious Liberal News stations) and factor both newstory into your viewpoints otherwise you are being just as naive as the Fox viewers you so love to insult and mock.

NBC (or any of the other Obvious Liberal News stations

Anyone who refers to NBC or other networks as "Obviously liberal" either doesnt watch or doesnt know what liberal means. These large for profit corporations are out to make money first and foremost. Some people are already convinced that something is obviously true, then never bother to actually review the facts.

If they are obviously liberal, then what alleged false information do they overwhelming believe exactly?

There are a handful of liberal shows on TV.

Ok catch then how about left leaning for MSM....yu will try and shoot holes in any unbiased source that tells what most americans watch and when but i'll try anyway even as much of a doubtful dodger as you are.

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Actually, you can argue with a coffee table. Problem is, there's no clear winner in that situation. Coffee tables are firm and resolute, and never flip-flop or pander to independents. However, you have to question the intellectual wherewithal of anyone who insists on continuously arguing with said table.

However, you have to question the intellectual wherewithal of anyone who insists on continuously arguing with said table.

I think that was Barney's point.

Homophobic sentiment and wit in the same post? Mr. Reckshen, you need to send your resume over to Mr. Murdock! You'd be a great addition to the FoxNews team.

But you can throw the coffee table into the fire.

Hugh, with a lame NV name like yours, sounds like you'd want in on that action.

But you can throw the coffee table into the fire.

They're witches!!! Burn them!!!!

I put copies of the actual documents with real facts in front of a group of dedicated Fox viewers, including my own brother, and every one of them refused to believe what they saw in black and white on paper. They chose to believe what they heard, or, in a couple of cases, what they thought they heard, on Fox. They would even "quote" President Obama, claiming they saw him say (pick any one of a number of outrageous lies and statements) while watching Fox. It was truly amazing how the anti-Obama crowd will twist facts in their own minds to fit what they want to believe.

My wife's mother who lives in FL called one day recently and told her that Obama was taking over the Cheerios brand of cereal after watching Fox news need I say more.

Yes Jack please say more...why rag your mother into this discussion when she can't defend herself...or do you just find it amusing to diss your mother....

just like a lib--they would hate on their mother and make fun of her just to tell a lie..

Allsgood & Katlin,

The article is about Fox Noise and those who get nothing but misinformation from it. I write a simple sentence and neither of you can read and comprehend what it says correctly.

So let me try again. First this was my WIFE’s mother and second she turns Fix Noise on at 6 am every morning and does not change the channel all day.

I hope that this will make it clearer for both of you.

Hi Arad,

I remember that! The Florida Court of Appeals said that there was nothing wrong with a news organisation knowingly airing false information.

http://www.librarygrape.com/2009/06/court-fox-news-has-first-amendment.html

Terrible.

I don't know how they can claim to be 'fair and balanced' when they are the ones who fought off the regulations designed to keep the media 'fair and balanced' in the FIRST place.

Yellow journalism is now the gold standard. Good thing for wikileaks and the independents out there. One side bonus to these sites like you tube, wikileaks, and others is that they are getting wider distribution and knowledge as a result of the exponential internet growth. Therefore, it stands to reason that knowingly airing false claims will just get harder and harder.

Yes, Fair (Fox lies) and Balanced (Fox lies some more). No surprises there.

They should change their slogan from "fair and balanced" to "stupid is as stupid does."

How about "Fairly, Unballanced"

here are the people NO LIE that I know watch faux news

1. neighbor with closed head injury

2. 3 different dysfunctional, jobless alkies (they ADORE faux and also Limbaugh- it's bizarre how alkies seem to be rabid faux watchers . Pay attention to this among alcoholics.

3. elderly relative with moderate dementia

4. neighbor taking many psychotropic drugs

here are the people NO LIE that I know watch faux news

And they ALL vote.

TexasRodeoQueen

Just curious you only know 6 people who watch Fox news either you need to get out more or you need realize your circle of friends probably needs to be more diverse.

These are some of the people I know who watch NBC news (As well as Maddow & Olberman)

1) Blind worshippers who still believe that stimulus is working just give it time.

2) Blind worshippers who still believe every single thing Bush did was wrong (Even though Obama continues to expand or continue with many of Bush's policies.) And don't take that statement to believe that I think everything Bush did was right, that's just stereotyping people and is just stupid as saying (fill in blank with any stereotype you know about a minority)

3) People who actually believe that our Government as a whole has our best interest in their hearts. That they do not cater to Lobbyists and Big Business whether they be Democrat or Republican.

4) People who think as long as you make fun of someone, the person doing the insulting must be correct (Daily Show, Maddow, Olberman, Bill Maher)

5) College educated people who believe any and everything told to them by a liberal news commentator, or a liberal professor. (At least I have the mindset to question everything by everybody, no matter the source. Take nothing at face value until you do the research yourself.)

Point being if you think Fox news is the only organization that provides false information, then you my friend, is what I like to refer to as the hypocritically blind.

Ymerej Sounds like you know a lot of imaginary strawmen.

Point being if you think Fox news is the only organization that provides false information, then you my friend, is what I like to refer to as the hypocritically blind.

If you believe that is the point then you my friend are blind - no one said that and the fact that you choose to believe that is the "point" suggests you really only seeing what you want to see.

When someone's point is to ridicule and attack a point of view that no one has taken you have to wonder whether they are really paying attention. Can you make your points without making ridiculous views up?

Obama wants to cut off healthcare of senior citizens(should anyone tell them that it is the insurance companies that have cut off seniors, that's why we have Medicare?)

Actually the reason we have medicare is it was a compramise to universal healthcare. And note it is taking a lot of tax dollars to fund it the program. They are talking about going broke. Such as Social Security.

The cash for clunkers program went broke. Now they have huge problems with the program. Dealers not getting money. Taking the used car off the market is causing problems. A hole host of problems.

Then the President spoke of the post office. Good program. Would be bankrupt if it was not federally subsidized. I belive it is like 7 billion in the hole this year. Another exceallant well funded efficient government program.

On WMD's. Who really knew if they were or were not there. Sadam would not let the UN inspectors in. Seems like after 16 plus years of diplomacy we said let them to inspect or we will come in and inspect. He didn't let them in we kept our word. So since they were notfound we are all down on the fact we went in. Monday morning Quarterbacks comes to mind.

So with all the wonderful efficient programs that work and are funded so well by the Government the question is this. Do we really want them running healthcare? Maybe I watch fox a little maybe I watch the others a little. But one thing for sure all tell part truths. Funny thing about the "pulling the plug" part of the bill. Seems like I heard they were going to remove it because it could be interpreted and applied the way fox news and others described.

The one thing I know for sure. i cannot opt out of the government plan. I will have to pay to fund it regarless. In fact a small penalty tax if I do not. That is the part the media leaves out. Even the salesmen of the plan. I think all the lies should be exposed from the right and the left. As if that will happen in my lifetime. There is not an honest person in Washington. Why? If they told the truth they would never get elected. Folks the truth hurts.

Then the President spoke of the post office. Good program. Would be bankrupt if it was not federally subsidized. I belive it is like 7 billion in the hole this year. Another exceallant well funded efficient government program.

The USPS has not until MAYBE now taken any tax dollars to run. All revenue comes from the sale of postage.

All of your other comments have to many holes in them to bother arguing.

In other words the truth hurts huh Jack....I would love to see your arguements to the post...

concerned - more misinformation (i.e. L I E S)

Medicare can not "go broke" or bankrupt; it does not have a separate source of funding but is part of the general annual funding process. This is a L I E

Social Security does have a separate fund - that congress has been borrowing from for years to pay current bills. When it was created the Baby Boom hadn't happened yet, and nobody later on planned for it - this is NOT Social Security going bankrupt, but congress' lack of planning - that makes this a L I E

Cash for Clunkers was expected to cost 4 Billion, but was only funded for 1 / 4 of that - 1 Billion; the funding has been expanded to 3 of the 4 billion - it's not that it went broke, it was intentionally underfinded - that makes this, too, a L I E

The Post Office has to get approval to raise rates; and to close unnecessary offices that are uneconomical to keep open (remember military Base closings?) That does not make it inefficient or bankrupt - this is yet another L I E

Why do you insist on proving the title of this article?

money.cnn.com/2009/08/03/news/companies/usps_postal_service_privatize.fortune I guess we all have our definitions of broke or bankrupt...social security we will have to be taxed higher to pay for this govt funded retirement program that is in essence bankrupt...please use a better play on words to make the term lies as you call them into semantics rather than lies....medicare is broke but hey according to your logic medicare is a govt run industry that has a play in the free market even though the program is grossly underfunded it is not technically bankrupt as the govt won't file bankruptcy it will just tax americans more...so its not a lie it's just a different way to look at having to much month and not enough money.. when was the last time the govt ran a free market industry profitably just curious

There are no free markets - that is another L I E

Capitalism is private markets (owned by small groups); for free markets you require a socialist system that eliminates capital

No, this is not semantics, when something is fact checlked over and over and still repeated, the preson repeating is L Y I N G (well that or delusional, insane; which is it?)

Sort of like the lie that Obama told us about being transparent and having his policy discussions filmed live on C-Span??

Since a lot of people have brought up medicare. One of the largest parts of medicare being over budget is fraud. That means that some American out there is ripping off the government. Someone thinks that the government has money so why shouldn't I get me some of that. If we got rid of the fraud then the program would probably run efficiently and within budget. Its not the governments fault that medicare is over budget it is dishonest Americans fault.

Isn't it coincidental that most of the bankers and financial people that have been convicted of fraud and money problems are conservatives? (prime example Madoff) I wonder if the people who commit fraud on medicare are the conservative or liberal? Makes you wonder, believe in a "news" agency that is filled with lies -- Lie and cheat yourself. HHHHMMMMMM is there a pattern there.

Perhaps we should make defrauding the government a capital crime, like treason, if you get caught you die.

So I guess since the US post office is subsidized by the federal Government that I am wrong in assuming it iS at the very least partially funded by tax dollars. Yep giving people books is dangerous. They can think for themselves. I just need to not read and understand things and just believe what I am told. Sorry but the post office does use tax dollars.

Now the example ws used about fed-ex and UPS is compition with the USPS. In the first place Fed Ex and UPS cannot deliver non urgent letters. They cannot use a mail box that also recieves US mail. What's the word i am looking for. Oh, monopoly. The USPS has a monopoly on the delivery of the non urgent letters. At the very least two private companies survive and the post office struggles. And we want the government to run a helth insurance program? The example they gave themselves point to the dangers of that.

I think the lies are being exposed. It is not just the right lying either. The feft has their own set. It is pretty safe to bet they all lie. ANd the people pay for it. The funny part is the people defend the liars of their choice.

The USPS is NOT government funded yet. All operating revenue is generated from the sale of postage.

The USPS can and does deliver urgent letters every day.

The biggest reason for the USPS problems now is the declining mail volume due to more online bill pay.

In regards to UPS and FedEx they do not deliver to every address in the world like the USPS does and has never ever wanted to and also delivery to every address is part of the USPS mandate so they do not have a choice. Of course the USPS only charges 44 cents for a one ounce first class letter to any where in the US I think UPS or FedEx is more like $10 dollars.

So for your next flight of fancy please share some more.

Budinski - There have been well over 100 hearings and meetings on CSpan. They are there but you have to get your finger off the Fox channel button on your remote in you want to see them. . . .

alright who didn't laugh out loud when obam gave the post office as a fine example of a gov run program and healthcare would copy it??...yah like that would convince me to jump on the obamacare circus train..LOL.....the man is delusional, he doesn't even realize that the post office is broke continually and constantly raising rates...ups & fed ex do much better and without gov interference..

alright who didn't laugh out loud when obam gave the post office as a fine example of a gov run program and healthcare would copy it?

I didn't. The post office provides a valuable service for next to nothing rates. You and I and everybody else relies on the Post Office every single day of our lives.

he doesn't even realize that the post office is broke continually and constantly raising rates...ups & fed ex do much better and without gov interferenc

The USPS has been self-sufficient since 1972 and has operated without a deficit, as required by law, during the average of the years since. Of course they are having deficits and are considering raising rates now, what private company isn't doing the same in this economy, including UPS and fedex?

http://www.nalc.org/postal/perform/selfsufficient.html#subsidize

http://www.ups.com/rates/

As for UPS, etc. , how much does it cost to send a letter that you can pretty much guarantee will get to its destination in two-three days via USPS? 44 cents. How much does it cost to send a package via UPS? Their cheapest ground rate which only includes zip codes very close to home for a package less than one pound is $6.78. And that only guarantees 5 day service. And I had to wade through a 155 page rate book to find that rate on page 63.

http://www.ups.com/media/en/retail_rates.pdf

I'm very happy with the USPS, thank you.

The USPS does recieve money from the Government:

Postmaster General John E. Potter went before Congress yesterday to argue that the postal service needs more funding from the government than what has been proposed by the Bush administration.


The USPS wants $101.2 million more than would be appropriated under the administration's proposed budget, Potter told members of the House Committee on Appropriations. The money would be used to support postage discounts and free services mandated by the government and postal security, he said.


The USPS-requested appropriations not funded by the government include:


· $51 million for security costs associated with the Biohazard Defense System, the Ventilation and Filtration System and a mail sanitization facility to be located in Washington. The administration included no money in its budget for these items.


· $29 million that the USPS says the government owes it for mandated discounts on certain classes of mail. The $29 million represents the 13th payment out of 42 payments that Congress has authorized the government to make to the postal service to fund $1.2 billion in costs incurred because of discount rates. But the administration has not included any money for the payment in its budget this year.


· $108.5 million for free services that the government requires the USPS to provide, including mail for the blind and sending absentee ballots overseas to members of the military. The administration budgeted only $87.3 million for these services.

The post office is operating in a deficit. The size of the deficit doesn't matter. It is still a deficit. The smoke and mirrors do not hide the truth.

I never said the post did not deliver rushed mail. I did say they have a monopoly on delivering unrushed mail. Nor did I say they do a poor job. They do a good job.

The comparison of the Post office to Healthcare is flawed at best. The post office in raising enough funds to pay it's bills. So they are going to close Post Offices. So if we get the same thing in Healthcare. ANd they do not make enough money they will close Hospitals. Sounds okay to me. Have to cut cost right?

Without going into to much detail the Feds mandated additional service for discounted postage think AK and Sen. Stevens and biohazard defense system for things like anthrax. The Stevens deal as been going for years unfunded and the BDS is new since 9/11 that old Fed rule mandate but really don’t fund.

Now we are getting to the point of most things. The Government mandates things without funding them. Even on private industry. Then we blame private industry for rising cost. take the people on the planes on tarmacs stuck for so long. WHy can't they let them off and reboard. Federal law! But we blame the airlines.

I believe the root of a lot of problems is coming to light. The Federal Government. And we demand them to do more to mess things up. And the smoke and mirrors come out to blame someone else for their own faults.

People are crooks and dishonest. very seldom do you find a busines you can deal with that is upfront and honest. We then elect a group to go to Washington. Then we have a House full of dishonest people making rules. Proof. We all knwo what lawyers are. The reputation they have. Guess what most politicians are lawyers.

take the people on the planes on tarmacs stuck for so long. WHy can't they let them off and reboard. Federal law!

Which Federal law are your referring to? The reason they don't let people off to reboard is twofold: The gates are already booked, and the airlines would have to pay another gate fee.

Concerned - the post office is closing offices that no longer are efficient to have around as people are going to internet pay of bills, etc.

You are ragging on them for being efficient? Incredible

It is more than just the cost of gate fees and the gates being booked. The problem arises from the security aspect. There are laws in place that regulate the security policies of the airports and carriers. They must stay within these guidelines. Especially after 9/11. They come under close scrutiny.

A person is not alowed on a craft unless the have a boarding pass. That one is pretty simple. A person is not allowed to leave the aircraft once boarded. This keeps someone from entering the craft then leaving while jsut dropping off an explosive device on the craft. No one is allowed to enter the craft to say good bye to loved one. Heck now you cannot even get pass the first check point without a boarding pass hardly.

See yet how all the "safety" regualtions are getting in the way. WHen they do take passengers off the plane I believe the carry ons must go off too. The aircraft must be searched before reboarding. I am not quite sure if passengers must be rescreened if they stay by the gate or not. But if they go outside then they must be. All the regulations have it really messed up to just to be a simple get off and back on the plane.

But he media does not research that. They jsut say the evil airlines are forcing the passengers to stay on the planes because of the cost.

The post office is closing branches because they cannot afford to keep them open. If it was truley about being efficient they would have closed them long before now. Can't close the barn door after the cows get out and call it a good thing.

A person is not allowed to leave the aircraft once boarded. This keeps someone from entering the craft then leaving while jsut dropping off an explosive device on the craft.

There is no such law in place, and even if there were, it's purpose would be just what you said -- not to keep 200 people waiting for six hours on a plane. They have these nifty little things called "computers" and "bar code scanners". You may have used them the last time you flew. It's just as easy to scan them when they got off again prior to getting on again.

Please find me a cite on this Federal law you claim that prevents an airline from disembarking passengers if there's going to be a long delay on the runway.

Heck now you cannot even get pass the first check point without a boarding pass

Again, untrue. I did this the last time my son flew. They gave me a special pass to escort him to the gate.

But he media does not research that. They jsut say the evil airlines are forcing the passengers to stay on the planes because of the cost.

You are assuming the media doesn't research that; that they just jump to the conclusion that the airlines are evil. That strikes me as funny though, considering they research all the other stories they present.

If it was truley about being efficient they would have closed them long before now

Again, another assumption. Unless you're an executive with the USPS, I doubt you have any idea of the guidelines and procedures they use to evaluate when to open or close an office, much less when and if the offices they are chosing to close now met those guidelines.

You've formed an opinion, and now you're doing your damndest to find facts that support it... and when you don't have facts, you make assumptions.

Concerned - the problem with the flight you referred to is that no one was there to let them back on the plane and would not be there until morning - and the airline thought the relief crew would be there long before that. They did not want the relief crew just sitting there waiting for the DHS inspectors in the morning.

You do not understand the situation you are referring to

As far as the Post Offices - you are claiming here that this is not something that changed over time, that people are not using the internet more than ten years ago? Just how foolish is that, it is reality that changed out from under your prejudgments

I keep thinking that there has to be some regulation against what they(Fox"News")do. They used to be more subtle about being a right-wing propaganda machine, but now it is blatant. Most of what Fox"News" does, is just right-wing talk show in a news format. Not just Bill O"Reilly. Now his segment it is presented as an opinion segment, but even the regular anchors of the news, they are blatantly putting out the right-wing agenda.

The other networks also have opinion segments like Keith Olbermann, who used to work at Fox"News" and Rachel Maddow trying to counter some of the insanity that comes out of Fox"News".

I think Olberman worked at FOX sports, but I could be wrong.

I just love how they defend FNC by quoting their ratings, as if ratings have anything to do with accuracy. FNC is the "news" equivalent of a train wreck, and their viewers the fools who slow down traffic because they can't bring themselves to look away.

Olbermann worked for ESPN...but then again so did Rush Limbaugh XD

But you can remove the coffee table

I think Rush worked on Monday Night Football (for one day) while it was still on ABC.

The majority of you commenting on this seed act like you watch FOX on a regular basis thus pretending your well versed on the untruths they report. The fact of the matter is that you are as mindless as those of us that watch Fox. I would guess that the bulk of you don't give FOX over an hour a week just like I don't watch the other networks any. This seed is no more than a pacifier for all of you that absolutely refuse to come to grips with the fact that you made a mistake when you voted for Obama. A support group if you will, so you can vote each other into a false since security. You mentioned the polls, yea FOX is smoking the rest of the MSM because thousands of one time supporters of Obama decided they (because of his actions) see that he isn't the candidate they voted for and perhaps they shouldn't ignore "the rest of the story" and tuned in to Fox for a different perspective instead of just blindly defending their vote. So your opinion now is they are fools like me. Is Fox news perfect and accurate all the time? Hell No but is any of the others? This administration can't even run a cash for clunkers program they came up with yet you think they can run our health care System, not tell me again who's the fools?? How many doctors do you think will stick around after their taxs go up and the have to wait and wait to get paid from Obamas super effecient system. Talk about a train wreck, Good Grief! Your boy (not Mine!) Barney Frank said "Don't Trust the Government" That I can agee with him on.

The fact of the matter is that you are as mindless as those of us that watch Fox. I would guess that the bulk of you don't give FOX over an hour a week just like I don't watch the other networks any

And here is were you are wrong. A lot of us do watch fox news, I personally listen to conservative radio also. I like to be informed of the crazy that I will have to prove wrong the next day before I hear it come out the mouth of people like you.

As to the rest of your post it is the same garbage fox and am radio spits out verbatim, you need to take a good look at what you are saying and go back and check the facts because you are showing exactly how correct this article is.

I don't watch the other networks any.

Maybe if you did recieve others sources of news you could make an informed decision. You are doing exactly what you falsly claim we do.

Mike you might find this surprising but I believe most people are smart enough to make decisions that best match their morales beliefs and ideology...it seems though that all the brew haha over fox news is just a few people that disagree with the type of reporting that is done on fox...so my suggestion is that rather than stoop to a low by degrading other people for watching what they agree with more than other propoganda from other news sources...so all the fox degraders can kiss the the posteriors of those of us who by free choice decide to watch what we want and the rest of you can kiss off... oh and just because you feel youare informed just because you don't agree with fox does not make you informed at all it just makes you an ideologue like most other people with an ego bigger than Jolies azz

exactly..case in point MSNBC was reporting that white people with guns were coming to the town halls to threaten obama..fox showed a pic clearly of a black male with a gun on his hip...nothing like trying to stir up some controversy where none exists is there for all you brainwashed msm viewers...........fox is the ONLY news show where you can get a modicum of truth about this obama adm...the rest are just blind ass kissers..poor obama whines cause fox doesn't kiss it too...

... oh and just because you feel youare informed just because you don't agree with fox does not make you informed at all

I am informed because I look for facts on my own, I do not get them from any one news source. I take every news cast right or left with a grain of salt, then look up the truth myself.

I actually scrutinize the lefts comments even more so then the right because I will not allow myself to be associated with a group if they do not tell it truthfully. I would suggest you start doing the same for the rights comments. Oh but wait that would probably burst your little bubble wouldn't it.

You are no victim here stop trying to pretend as much, you are the aggressors by perpetuating bold face lies and not even trying to look up the truth.

Facts are not open to debate or opinion you don't get to spread lies and not be called liar. I am sorry but you need to wake up and learn to think for yourself not take everything you hear from far right as gospel.

not true!

they also devote a good amount of time telling you that the other networks are in the tank for Obama and that Fox News is the ONLY place that you can get an opposing viewpoint.

It's how they make people afraid to watch other news sources. Very clever on their part.

Agreed....

I am not left or right but government run healthcare scares me. Have you ever walked past public housing and wished you could move in? The Veterans Administration hospitals are run by the government and are in a sad state. I have been paying Social Security and Medicare for 24 years and will likely never see a penny. Do you honestly believe our government can pull off healthcare for everyone when they can't fix the systems we have in place? Past action is a better determination of future action than any rhetoric from MSN, CNN, Obama, Democrats, Republicans or Fox. Be very afraid.

government run healthcare scares me

Good thing these bills in Congress allow you to keep your private coverage.

Have you ever walked past public housing and wished you could move in?

Have you ever walked past a private apartment complex in the ghetto and wished you could move in?

The Veterans Administration hospitals are run by the government and are in a sad state

They should be given more funding, but VA hospitals consistently outperform private hospitals.

have been paying Social Security and Medicare for 24 years and will likely never see a penny

You are just dying to believe those horror stories. In reality, those programs need minor adjustments to keep them going indefinitely. In the meantime, you can be satisfied that your tax dollars are currently going ensuring that poor old people are not living on the street and being denied cancer treatment.

when they can't fix the systems we have in place?

One side of the isle, the Dems, are trying to implement repairs that will shore up those programs. The other side, the Repubs, aren't interested in fixing them at all. They would rather screech about killing Grandma and allow the programs to fail so they can have a self-fulfilling prophecy about how the government can't run anything. In reality, we can see that Republicans can't run anything. Everyone else, Dems, Independents, Mature adults, can have reasonable debates and come up with rational solutions to better our country.

Darlene-----And no response? Can't you see the lies Fox is spewing? How does it make you feel that you actually get your news from this joke of an organization? And believe it, even tho you know it is all lies? Instead of reading what we write, maybe, you should be doing some research and seeing the lies Fox is promoting.

Most of my family watches FNC. I'm constantly providing them with evidence that what they are being told are lies. When I ask why they continue to watch, they can't give me an answer. I honestly believe it's because what they hear on FNC makes them feel better about who they are. They don't care that they are being lied to, as long as the lies jive with their way of thinking.

I watch all news........and I get sick to my stomach when I do to see where all journalism is heading.

I can agree with you there, Darlene. We don't have real journalism anymore. All news has become entertainment.

They don't care that they are being lied to, as long as the lies jive with their way of thinking.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner.

Let's compare baseball to journalism. The old timers of baseball played the game for the sport and not the money. The old time journalists reported the news as it was and not for the glory, power and money that they do today. We as a nation should learn from the old timers because they have a lot of wisdom for us to absorb. That could be in anything else whether it be government, private enterprise and family life.

Darlene---But, you must admit, Fox does not report the truth! Why do you watch them? Help us out and clue us in. I watch a lot of news. I, also, do my research. It took about 10 seconds to find that Fox lies. Most other news sources may lean one way or the other in political beliefs, but they don't out-right lie.

and I get sick to my stomach when I do to see where all journalism is heading.

Fox is NOT journalism it is fabrication, flim flam, hoodwink, propaganda and make believe.

Alot like the MSM you all seem to love so much.....

Alot like the MSM you all seem to love so much.....

Proof please.

By the way partisan leanings of others news sources (which I fully admit MSNBC is very progressive) does not equal the provable lies Fox is tossing you, just and FYI.

I once had a girlfriend who told me not telling the whole truth is just as bad as lying in the first place.

So with that concept in place all of our news media oulets suck!

Whether or not you believe Fox to be distorting the truth or not, at least ackowledge that we do not have credible mainstream news organaztion left in our country.

I personally believe nothing anyone tells me to be true at face value, Like statistics given to me by any news agency, be it MSNBC or Fox, and you shouldn't either.

The only thing I find funny is that Fox news is being singled out, why not point out the other misrepresentations in the news?

The only thing I find funny is that Fox news is being singled out, why not point out the other misrepresentations in the news?

Go ahead and share your facts about MSNBC viewers and what false beliefs they actually have about healthcare instead of imaginary strawmen?

Do you believe that it is impossible that some networks might have more disinformation than others and that Fox may have more than most? If you believe otherwise, then provide some facts to back up conclusions.

Catch what you consider facts would not suit you.... all you want is someone to agree with you...

Go ahead and share your facts about MSNBC viewers and what false beliefs they actually have about healthcare instead of imaginary strawmen?

does anyone even watch them?? you make 1 but is their anyone else...LOL

Finally as promised a Special Comment on this terrible moment in American history, and those unfortunate and irresponsible Americans who have brought us to it.

"The America I know and love," the quitter governor of Alaska Sarah Palin began, "is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."

Of course it is, Ms. Palin, and that is why it does not exist, has not existed, and would never, under this president, nor any other president, ever exist, in this country.

There is no 'death panel.' There is no judgment based on societal productivity. There is no worthiness test. But there is downright evil, and Ms. Palin, you just served its cause. You shouted "fire" in a crowded theater — a hot one — and then today tried to roll it back with "no, no, sorry, not fire, I meant flashlights."

Too little, too late, too obvious. Madam, you are a clear and present danger to the safety and security of this nation. Whether the 'death panel' is something you dreamed, or something you dreamed-up, whether it is the product of a low intellect and a fevered imagination, or the product of a high intelligence and a sober ability to exploit people, you should be ashamed of yourself for having introduced it into the public discourse, and it should debar you, for all time, from any position of responsibility or trust in the governance of this nation or any of its states or municipalities.

But it will not. Because a percentage of America does not want explanations nor serious conversation. It wants panic and the guilty thrill of chaos and an excuse to bash skulls and hang people in effigy. Or not in effigy. Ms. Palin, what, in spirit, is the difference between this monstrous image of a congressman hanged in effigy and the indefensible smile of pride on the idiot's face.

And this image with not one murderer in the mob even feeling the need to hide his face for fear of justice that would never come? They are both, to use your phrase, "Death Panels." Ms. Palin, you might as well have declared that the government is being run by a coven of witches with fake Kenyan birth certificates.

And you might as well have told the vast unthinking throng that mistakes your ability to wink for leadership, that they should start shooting at Democrats. There would be no need to tell them to bring guns. Others have done that. Somebody left his at an Arizona Town Hall.

And incidentally, Madam, you have forfeited your right to be taken seriously the next time you claim offense at somebody mentioning your children. You have just exploited your youngest child, dangled him in front of a mindless mob as surely as if you were Michael Jackson. You have used this innocent infant as an excuse to pander to the worst and least of us in this nation. You have used him to create the false image of 'death panels.'

The only 'death panels,' Ms. Palin, are the figurative ones you have inspired with such irresponsible, dangerous, facile, vile, hate speech. The death of common sense. The death of logic.The death, perhaps, of Democracy, at the hands of mob rule. If someone is hurt at one of these Town Halls, pro-Reform, anti-Reform, or, most likely, as these things tend to play out in the real life you know so little about, Ms. Palin — if the hurt befalls an innocent bystander —you will have contributed to the harm.

You might very well become, Ms. Palin, the very thing you have sought to create in the lurid imaginations of those spoiling for a fight, waiting for an excuse, looking for a rationalization of their own hatred, their own racism, their own unwillingness to accept Democracy. You, Ms. Palin, may yet become the de facto chairman of a Death Panel. Your higher calling, Ms. Palin. God forgive you, Ms. Palin.

It is hardly all Sarah Palin. She is in fact a relative newcomer to the orgy of fantasized violence and imagined revolution, whose fires have been stoked, for weeks, for months, for years, by Conservatives — but more often by mere mercenaries, men and women who believe nothing, who are in it for the game, or the profit, or the sheer kick of bending masses to their will. Glenn Beck, who recoils when somebody actually readies for an attack on one of the "FEMA internment camps" he so cavalierly invented, who so cowers at the thought that he might get blamed, or might lose his precious and well-earned gold, that he actually has to plead with his viewers not to become new Timothy McVeighs.

Glenn Beck, says that and then comes back three days later and jokes about — poisoning the Speaker of the House. It is irresistible to you, isn't it? It's the same thrill of irresponsibility, of caveman thought, of the drug addict who suddenly and joyously cares nothing about self-restraint. Sobered momentarily into realizing the prospective outline of the horrible shape on the horizon — soldiers wounded, shooter says she was liberating FEMA camp, says she saw Glenn Beck tell her to rise up and fight back' — awakened to the idea that words you say on television have consequences which you cannot control, you plead, almost cry, for non-violence.

And yet within 72 hours the thrill again rises up in your blood and you cannot resist it, you must fantasize about murder, and by the very action of speaking it aloud, you enable others to join you in this neanderthalian ritual of violence to overcome the enemy — whether the enemy is real, or imagined, or whether the enemy really isn't an enemy at all, just your neighbor, with a different point of view, who wants to talk about it, who wants to involve you in the decision even though it is his turn to steer and not yours, and even though you both know that some day our system will give you another turn to steer.

But ranting and crying and playing with toys on television, does not work, if you are advocating compromise and dialogue and thought. It works only for a mountebank making the promise of magic and power, with the underlying inherent threat of carnage and chaos. And now you add you believe 'death panels' are real. An idea so insane, which mainlines so directly back to the mercenary fantasies of the pathetic Betsy McCoy, that even Sarah Palin backed quickly away from them.

But what a scare tactic! The big lie in the flesh. Your dream come true. Which is probably why, Mr. Beck, we have not lately heard much of your "9/12" groups. Because there you had the germ of an idea, exploitative perhaps, but at its core, beneficial, calming, unifying, thoughtful: restore the sense of September 12th, 2001 — not of dread or threat, but of collaboration, of meeting in the middle, of standing together under one flag and trying to improve the conditions of all Americans.

And then somebody from your 9/12 group told its members they should all go to the Health Care Reform Town Hall in Tampa, and break it up, and shout down anybody who disagreed with them, and scuffle with the police, and demand not discourse but disaster. Your work, Mr. Beck.
Your contribution to this. God forgive you.

There are other instigators free in the land, nearly all of them, in effect, un-true believers. Men intelligent enough to work their way up the political ladder in this country into the Senate of this nation, and yet suddenly foolish enough, or suddenly opportunistic enough like Mr. Cornyn of Texas, to float conspiracy theories about the White House using Health Care Reform to try to compile an enemies list, one e-mail address at a time, when four years ago the same Senator was saying that the previous White House's pernicious, warrantless, illegal consumption of everybody's e-mail address, and everybody's e-mail, and everybody's websites, was defensible and justifiable because, quote, "none of your civil liberties matter much after you're dead."

And now pushing — is Mr. Cornyn — the supposedly independent analysis of the proposed Health Care reform by "The Lewin Group" that 119 million people would have to change their insurance — Mr. Cornyn not knowing, or being paid not to know, that "The Lewin Group" is wholly owned by an Insurance Company, the way the Lewin Group gave Mr. Boehner and Mr. Cantor 60-thousand dollars apiece. Wholly owned!

Then there are the birthers, laughable from the moment they opened their mouths, proffering a conspiracy that somehow began with the placement of birth notices in two Hawaiian newspapers 48 years ago this month. But people who do not want this president to be president will believe anything, and that is meat for fading commentators like Lou Dobbs, whatever he actually believes.

Because the birther movement touches another essential part of the defective soul — the need for an excuse. For they need to convince themselves of an immense conspiracy, and place that conviction as a barrier between their actions, and the sad reality that they are not the victims of intricate machinations against freedom, but are just garden-variety, ordinary, racists — that they can handle the most limited of integration only in theory.

They will take anything that will let them pretend that — when they burst into tears and cry that they want their America back — they are not asking for White Power, not asking that somebody make the black man in the White House go away. There are other instigators, of course, so obvious, so careless — knowing so well that anybody who desperately wants to believe lies, will not even notice the truth standing next to them wearing a big red sign.

Like the "just a Mom from a few blocks away" at the Wisconsin town hall, who didn't think anybody might google her name and find out she was really the ex-vice-chairman of the county GOP and part of the campaign of the Republican who lost to the Democrat whose town hall she was at that moment, helping to disrupt. Like the smooth-talking hospital corporate titan, spreading millions around to enable the hate, knowing that none of the haters will ever realize that they have become prostitutes for the health care industries.

Like the people who propagated this widely-cut-and-pasted quote "line by line analysis" of the Health Care Reform Act —one that saves Right Wingers the trouble of actually reading the bill.
This is where the fictions come from: that it's funding ACORN, that it guarantees free health care for illegal immigrants, mandates abortions, demands euthanasia. If you read it without knowing the truth, you might shove the right-wingers out of the way at the Town Halls and start screaming yourself!

It seems to have been created by "The Liberty Counsel" — an off-shoot of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University — whose other big policy concern is the attack on Christmas. And maybe the most brazen of them all. That man at the Town Hall in Connecticut, carrying the "We don't want government run health care" sign, while still wearing his Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield shirt.

You might think it was because he was too stupid to wear something a little less corporately-slavish. But given what those around him have read, they not only wouldn't care, they might even take comfort from the logo; that he could boast, and that they could hate under the auspices of, an actual, caring, friendly, ruthless insurance company. My words of course, are nothing to Mr. Anthem, or Mr. Cornyn or Mr. Dobbs or Ms. Blish or Mr. Scott or the others.

This is a job to them, and since we have placed a price tag on everything in this country, there is no soul-searching involved. You have a job. If it involves stirring up frightened people to defend the corporation against the citizen, well, you have a salary to earn and a family to feed. The same rationalization that enables mob hit men to sleep at night.

But somewhere in those crowds of genuinely angry people, people who listen to Cornyn or Dobbs, or fantasize with Beck about poisoning their way to a Democrat-free world, or salivate like Pavlovian dogs at the sound of the shrill whistle from Sarah "Death Panel" Palin, somewhere in those crowds are some actual people with some actual brains still working and thinking and evaluating. For God's sake, trust your instinct to think.

There are no death panels, there could never be. Were there steps taken towards them, I, and 99.9 percent of the people in this country, from the fiercest liberal to the most apolitical blob, would be standing next to you preventing their creation. There are no plans to take your insurance away from you. There will be no rationing of care. There will be no Health Choices Commissioner and he will not be able to transfer money electronically out of your bank account.

There will be nobody coming into your house and telling you what to eat. There will be no euthanasia. And the people to whom you are listening with half an ear, are telling you half the truth — on a good day! The euthanasia scare comes from something as benign as a proposal to let you put in for insurance if you have to consult a doctor about what to do if you or a loved one are fatally ill.

If you are where I was last March — when I sat down with the doctors to talk about my mother, fatally ill, not awake, not aware — the health care reform will now pay you back for the doctor's fee for that conversation. And it will pay, whether you decide to let your loved one go, or you insist to the doctor that they keep that dear one alive at all costs, to treat them for months or years or decades more.

And this part of this bill was originally co-sponsored by a Republican congressman. And from that caring bi-partisan starting point, through her own paranoia or for her own political gain, Sarah Palin has invented the boogeyman of "death panels." Think, please. Think, before something horrible happens. As you move to bellow that which you know not to be true. As you try to shout down a Congressman who is there to answer your concerns. As, God forbid, you think there has been enough talking and not enough of something else.

Think of how Lincoln closed his first Inaugural address, and remember that wise words stand the test of time.

If it were admitted that you who are dissatisfied hold the right side in the dispute, there is still no single good reason for precipitate action. Intelligence, patriotism, Christianity, and a firm reliance on Him who has never yet forsaken this favored land are still competent to adjust in the best way, all our present difficulty. In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow-countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue. The government will not assail you. You can have no conflict without being you yourselves the aggressors. We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone, all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."

Thank you Keith Olbermann for a well thought out "Special Comment"

Well if any person with any sense read the posts as well as the overall rhetoric of the washington monthly you would definitely come to the conclussion this rag is liberal and progressive no matter all the statements to being an independent entity...so i'll pass on your opinion as well as the source...

yet another denial of reality rather than an intelligent discussion. They are NOT the only source, and if you deny them as "liberal" you must deny fox as equally partisan "conservative"

C'mon then let's have as you say an intelligent discussion on what media or news source is the most honest and reliable that is actually trusted by the majority of americans...

had you read the article you are commenting on, Fox is not it

Eric then what is?

Forget Fox news for a second reccomend a news outlet that has credibility, and a non-partisan view. Not challenging you, just want to know who to believe as it stands right now in a given business week I watch 4 different News medias and trust none of them (Fox is included.)

All kidding aside can someone please tell me a media outlet I can trust.

Just what I thought you have no arguement other than to just rag on fox...and that site is worthless to use an example of unbiased media reporting

Jeremy - quit watching TV news - or at least watch news (fox is "entertainment") like Cnn, cnbc (for business stuff); h3ll, The Daily show does a better job of news than Fox!

I don't watch news, I read it. BBC, Yahoo/AP; netvibes lets you source several sources on the same front page that links headlines to the stories

I haven't seen any one news source I trust, I read several and look for the facts and the opinions - for example over this weekend there was a great hue and cry claiming Obama had dropped the publuc option - that actually was someone's opinion of an interpretation of something that was said; not a fact but an opinion.

You get to a point where you see a story and say: "Where's the beef?" or where's the proof. If you want an opinion, reda several and separate out the facts, then make your own opinion; at least it's honest

allsbad - WTF are you ranting about in your childish way? This isn't about "scoring points" on someone and I can;t track who you are talking to or what you are talking about. Quit acting like a two year old and start talking sense; remember every comment you post should answer Who, What, Where, When, Why, and How - you answered none of the above

Also doesn't it seem strange that everytime there is an supplement that directly prohibits illegals from receiving medical care, that for some reason they are voted down.

Really, what is the alternative? Forcing doctors and nurses to check citizenship papers before treatment, even in life-threatening situations? If that were to happen, they would need to check everyone, even you.

Doesn't anyone agree that this health reform bill should be read, debated, and an input from the American citizen who it will effect be explained to us before passage? Mr. Obama doesn't know what is in it.......he left it up the Mrs. Pelosi and staff. If Fox tends to learn right, then I am glad. The Main Stream Media doesn't question anything this Administration does..........isn't that really slanted not to question? Sorta like the Pied Piper and all the mice that followed him.........or even sheep herded to slaughter. I would much rather be safe than sorry. :)

If Fox tends to learn right, then I am glad

That's the problem Darlene, FOX News doesn't 'lean' right. They flat out lie. There's a very big difference between placing value in a certain ideological framework and blatantly and knowingly spreading false information while passing it off as fact.

The 'Main Stream Media' is constantly questioning the Administration.....they just base their questioning in fact and not in polarizied, sensationalized lies. Without question, media outlets like MSBNC are biased. But again, there is a big, big difference between being bias and blatantly spreading misinformation.

As far as knowing what's in the bill.......it seems that everytime a congressman brings up the actual language in the house version of the bill....some Americans still refuse to accept it and say that it is a ploy or a loophole. That's the problem: Regardless of the language in the bill, some people refuse to accept anything outside of what they believe.

NO, Illegals are not covered - this is yet another L I E

California's did NOT "all benefits to illegals regardless of what the law says." - this is yet another Faux news L I E

Illegals are already, in federal law, banned from getting coverage, putting a "supplemental" does nothing but stir up feelings. In fact, illegals basically pay their own way as they can not get benefits (within 1 - 2% of over and under pay) - All this talk of illegals is just another demonstration of the point of the article - fox news viewers get it wrong more often and yet refuse to see the fact checks that prove it

also no bill yet, just HR3200 which is not a bill! you have a choice to read or not. put on your brain for a change...you are on the internet...research...I like BBC AMERICA because they are outside of this country and you get an outside look at this country. Used to like Lou Dobb but he showed his color (hahaha) too racist for me and like Roland Martin on CNN but he is substitue. Always like Larry King but I am sleep by the timehe is on...really I am not that old but tired

...I like BBC AMERICA because they are outside of this country and you get an outside look at this country

Yea, BBC's coverage is excellent; true (as in "factual", high-quality, amazingly unbiased. It's sad that you have to go to Britain to get decent news about America.

Also note: BBC is of course government-run, non-profit and is about the highest regarded news organization on the planet.

Mr. Obama doesn't know what is in it

Do you honestly believe that Obama does not know what is in the health care proposals? Honestly?

Darlene Boys wrote "Mr. Obama doesn't know what is in it.......he left it up the Mrs. Pelosi and staff. If Fox tends to learn right, then I am glad."

There is no bill yet. There are many proposals in committees. And regardless of what you want to believe there will be a bill presented before Congress and it will pass before the end of the year. So instead of yelling incoherent talking points in these townhall meetings it behooves you to actually get involved so the representative can determine what it is that you want included in the bill.

Jarrod how much of the bill have you read? not much I imagine just so long as the ends meet your means

there are 5 bills in consideration (one is not yet reported out of committee)

Which bill, all?

takeyour pick sampson but lets stick to the one that the house tried to push HR3200 you have heard of it right... like I aid how much of it have you actually read

Jarrod how much of the bill have you read?

I'm waiting until the various bills get resolved in conference to read them. I don't eat my chicken before I've cooked it, and I don't read bills before they're conferenced.

I have a copy downloaded weeks ago of HR 3200, and I have read it - your point is?

Oh right. Just another childish comment, no facts, no substance, just childish posturing

And school starts when?

allsgood

I've read most of the HR 3200 House version......which is how I know that FOX News is misinforming their viewers. It's how I know that there are no 'death panels' (ironically, the portion of the plan being labeled as this was actually inserted by Republican Johnny Isakson - only to be ridiculed by REPUBLICANS), there are no euthanasia programs for seniors, and there is specific language excluding illegal aliens.....among other things.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'the ends meet your means'? I've had quality coverage for a while now.....doing quite well financially. However, I'm not arrogant or short sighted enough to view the situation simply through my situation only. The system, generally speaking, is broken. Just because it works for me (for now anyway - I've never had to file a major claim as my health has been good) doesn't mean I am going to turn a blind eye to everyone else.

Look beyond the six inches in front of your face, you might be surprised at what ya' find ;)

Thanks but no thanks for your insight i'll make up my own mind...and you should practice what you preach since you have no clue about me nor I you but from what I can tell you and sampson are just ideologues who just jump on each others bandwagon and think you are right just because you say it is right...ive still seen no facts from either one of you when it comes to your views just alot of rhetoric...all you and sam can do is put down the reublicans just to make yourself feel like you have a clue when you are probably just as ignorant as the next person trying to decipher this mess...an blaming fox only makes you look desperate...

Beckyal...keep up the good work honey ...we appreciate it.....keep those cards and letters coming..and cash......oh yeah...you probably need more beauty sleep than I do......... I most certainly need a lot less of everything than you do ..but what I can use today...you couldnt give me...don't try and take me on ...it is a lost case from the start......

Becky, you really think only Repubs work? Nasty.

Hmm, Republicans pay taxes? Sure, the rich ones. Interesting how blue states pay more taxes, and red states receive the most benefits.

I love this argument. If Republicans are the only ones that work, why do the "blue" or liberal states have to support the red states? Care to explain that one? Yep, didn't think you could. Don't ever let the facts get in the way of your argument though.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/

You have confused "truth" with sloppy interpretation and faulty logic.

It is abundently clear your ideology blinds you to certain facts...to bad

he "Health Bill" is designed to subvert over time the free-market option

So giving consumers more choices subverts the free-market? Interesting viewpoint. I'll have to ponder that since right now I have exactly one choice for my health insurance. Purchasing the one my employer dictates.

In using the term more choices when including the govt. as a choice you use the term free market....tell me since when has the govt. run a free market industry...and have it succeed

There are NO free market industries, we do not have free enterprise, we have private enterprise

Keep up with the delusions, though

just as I thought you have no clue...nor do you have a debate...c'ya

tell me since when has the govt. run a free market industry...and have it succeed

I'll give you two examples right off the top of my head:

• TVA -- without which millions of rural folk would still be without electricity.
• Medicare -- only the most efficient HMO on the planet.

But let's look at the substance of Opey's claim, namely:

he "Health Bill" is designed to subvert over time the free-market option, surreptitiously, until such option is wholly vanquished.

It's a straw man, boogyman argument that's patently false. Otherwise, Fedex and UPS could have never existed while competing with the USPS.

In short, you're either ideologically blind, stupid, or an Insurance executive/investor.

just as I thought you have no clue...nor do you have a debate...c'ya

Once again we see a typical Newsvine-debate-loser response: insult ("you have no clue"), lie ("you have no debate"), and leave (because you know you're wrong and know you've been proven as such).

I vote for "ideologically blind", Azzix.

Our nation's conservatives are being led down the path to irrelevancy, because their leadership no longer has faith in its own tenets and they appear to be more than willing to resort to underhanded means - like outright lies and blatant distortions of facts - to "be right" at any cost.

Please Please show me how many lies fox has told and let's compare those to how many BHO has told with the backing of the mainstream media...so you go ahead and agree with your buddy azzix and i'll consider the source...and the source is irrelevant...

Once again, a typical Newsvine-debate-loser response: when you've got no rebuttal, change the subject. This is not a "who's the bigger liar" contest. It's about a poll that finds Fox viewers are overwhelming misinformed.

lol, allsgood. That wasn't nice, now was it? On what do you base your opinion of me -your long, personal knowledge of my character and credentials?

I prefer to think that Obama occasionally misspeaks and that the media has to be viewed through the lense of practicality; they are a profit center, after all, and only get viewers when they can create enough controversy to interest them in viewing. You don't work for FOX, do you? I am curious what makes you defend this broadcast station so vehemently that you would resort to insulting the opinions and credibility of others in its defense! Strange indeed.

HA!!!!!! FreedomWorks????? You mean that ultra-right wing organization run by Dick Armey and the Big Insurance Company dollars??? Yeah real unbiased interpretation there. LOL

How much would you need to earn to pay 6 figures in taxes, anyway? That's $100K+ in taxes.

I think I'd gladly pay that amount in taxes, given what that would make my earnings!

Yes, but there's a difference between "we report, you decide" and "we feed you lies sprinkled with news, it's your responsibility to sift through the lies."

Sol, I decide what I believe.........whether it be Fox or Main Stream........because they have sprinkles too. :) Their sprinkles are quite a bit heavier.

Heavier sprinkles just fall to the bottom of the cup of Lies and Misinformation Swirl that much faster, Darlene.

For the record, you used the pronouns "they" and "their" without providing a clear antecedent. That made your response rather confusing and ambiguous.

The truth and facts aren't there to be decided upon, they are what they are. Fox would have you believe that facts and truth are ambiguous things to be chosen. They aren't.

For example, Obama's birthplace. He was born in the US, in Hawaii. Certain of Fox commentators would be happy if you believed that the facts are he was not born in the US.

You are free to your own opinions, but not to your own set of facts.

Ok hows this for a challenge...I challenge any of those on the left to show me an unbiased news source that most americans trust as honest and unbiased....unfortunately all news sources are biased and unfortunately most are biased to the left which is so out of touch with america it is pitiful...alot like our elected officials...

"I watch Fox News because they report news" - ROTFLMAO - didn't read the article, did you?

Like I said you have no debate just inocuous diatribe

The issue that is being debated here, allsgood, is not whether all liberal news sources are honest and unbiased. The problem is that three times as many FoxNews viewers are misinformed about the issues when compared to those who watch MSNBC. There's nothing wrong with bias, as long as its bias with FACTS.

And you expect me to believe msnbc tells the truth....give me a break....fox is just as factual as msnbc....and both are biased....the main thing is though fox has the highest ratings and is trusted more than msnbc which is in the tank

fox has the highest ratings

That is because they only have what is the Republikan loon side as viewers and that means the south east.

your opinion only....take a poll you mught find people from all over this country watch fox unfortunately I would guess msnbc gets only the hard left loons from the northeast watching them...that doesn't make them more informed just more in agreement with each other and the rants from maddow chris and keith all far left mouth pieces

Jeez allsgood, you really don't get it.

The SAME POLL found that three times as many Fox views as MSNBC were misinformed, i.e. "factually wrong" about information. The question of "Bias" is totally irrelevant.

I'm watching you attack the style -- as if that matters -- just so you can ignore the substance. It's called "willful ignorance". As JonesGirl pointed out, you're free to have your own set of opinions, but facts are just plain facts.

You can attack the polling organization if you like (a joint NBC/Wall St. Journal poll -- I doubt you're gonna find much "liberal bias" there). You can attack the polling methodology I suppose; attack the raw data if you choose. However, bringing in non sequiturs that are just plain irrelevant is a sure way to lose the debate.

In the end though, we can only adapt to information we don't like; it doesn't adapt to the way we wish it were.

Hey city show me that exact quote puleez...

he/she probably got it off msm..the lefties believe anything they say.. as far as exact quote..they can't, there isn't one.

really? You are asking him for a quote when it is quite clear he is just mocking those that believe Glen beck?

here let me help you:

Comical Redneck voice: "You mean Obama aint gonna sneak into my Nana's room and smother her with a pillow"

Comical Redneck voice: " That's what Mr. Beck said. Uh-huh, he said it would happen"

I don't think at any point he is saying Beck said this verbatim. He is saying jokingly that is how the misinformed are reading into Beck's lies. Understand now? I know text can be a horrible media for sarcasm at times.

I believe that they will be covered because they use the ER now. I have been called inhuman and uncompassionate by saying this in other blogs. No I am not not these at all because I feel all life is sacred from the moment of conception to the least breath we breathe but illegal immigration needs to be addressed because it not only effects our medical services but education as well and our whole country in many other aspects. California spends on illegal services approximately 10.5 Billion dollars of whose money......while many of our citizens need help.

because other laws already cover that. NO, illegals may not use any government benefit

NO, darlene, they will not be covered (and most actually pay the ER bills so they don't get noticed / deported)

NO illegals are not getting your money - this is yet another Faux news L I E

no illegals are not excluded...no where in that bill does it exclude them..and obama wants their vote [doesn't matter if they're not suppose to] so he panders to them..calif paid out billions for the care of illegals and look where it got them..and no illegasls DO NOT pay the bills, they stiff the taxpayers for it 99% of the time..they do not care if they get noticed...quit making things up....what you are in fact saying is that illegals can pay for their hosp bills but our citizens cannot..that's sad..

...no where in that bill does it exclude them

Title II, Subtitle C, Section 246 - NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

look it up ....http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:

I have not read this reference to that particular bill but I would be shocked i Mike, TX were incorrect that the proposal does not provide medical care.

However, I am not especially proud to know that it so troubles our "Christian" nation to provide medical care to sick people in our nation. Our moral citizens even object to provide inoculations to undocumented children that would protect all of the rest of us.

And we call ourselves "civilized," "pious," "moral?"

Parkland Memorial Hospital in Dallas, Texas is a fairly famous institution and for a variety of reasons:

1. John F. Kennedy died there in 1963

2. Lee Harvey Oswald died there shortly after

3. Jack Ruby-who killed Lee Harvey Oswald, died there a few years later..by coincidence

On the flip side, Parkland is also home to the second busiest maternity ward in the country with almost 16,000 new babies arriving each year. (That's almost 44 per day---every day)

A recent patient survey indicated that 70 percent of the women who gave birth at Parkland in the first three months of 2006 were illegal immigrants. That's 11,200 anchor babies born every year just in Dallas

According to the article, the hospital spent $70.7 million delivering 15,938 babies in 2004 but managed to end up with almost $8 million dollars in surplus funding. Medicaid kicked in $34.5 million, Dallas County taxpayers kicked in $31.3 million and the feds tossed in another $9.5 million.

The average patient in Parkland is maternity wards is 25 years old, married and giving birth to her second child. She is also an illegal immigrant. By law, pregnant women cannot be denied medical care based on their immigration status or ability to pay.

OK, fine. That doesn't mean they should receive better care than everyday, middle-class American citizens. But at Parkland Hospital , they do. ' Parkland Memorial Hospital has nine prenatal clinics. NINE.

The Dallas Morning News article followed a Hispanic woman who was a patient at one of the clinics and pregnant with her third child---her previous two were also born at Parkland . Her first two deliveries were free and the Mexican native was grateful because it would have cost $200 to have them in Mexico This time, the hospital wants her to pay $10 per visit and $100 for the delivery but she was unsure if she
could come up with the money. Not that it matters, the hospital won't turn her away. (I wonder why they even bother asking at this point.)

'How long has this been going on? What are the long-term effects?

Well, another subject of the article was born at Parkland in 1986 shortly after her mother entered the US illegally - now she is having her own child there as well. (That's right, she's technically a US citizen.)

These women receive free prenatal care including medication, nutrition, birthing classes and child care classes. They also get freebies such as car seats, bottles, diapers and formula.

Most of these things are available to American citizens as well but only for low-income applicants and even then, the red tape involved is almost insurmountable.

Because these women are illegal immigrants, they do not have to provide any sort of legitimate identification - no proof of income. An American citizen would have to provide a social security number which would reveal their annual income - an illegal immigrant need only claim to be poor and the hospital must take them at their word.

Parkland Hospital offers indigent care to Dallas County residents who earn less than $40,000 per year. (They also have to prove that they did not refuse health coverage at their current job. Yeah, the 'free' care is not so easy for Americans.)

There are about 140 patients who received roughly $4 million dollars for un-reimbursed medical care. As it turns out, they did not qualify for free treatment because they resided outside of Dallas County so the hospital is going to sue them! Illegals get it all free! But U. S citize
ns who live outside of Dallas County get sued! How stupid is this?

As if that isn't annoying enough, the illegal immigrant patients are actually complaining about hospital staff not speaking Spanish . In this AP story, the author speaks with a woman who is upset that she had to translate comments from the hospital staff into Spanish for her husband. The doctor was trying to explain the situation to the family and the mother was forced to translate for her husband who only spoke Spanish. This was apparently a great injustice
to her.

In an attempt to create a Spanish-speaking staff, Parkland Hospital is now providing incentives in the form of extra pay for applicants who speak Spanish. Additionally, medical students at the University of Texas Southwestern for which Parkland Hospital is the training facility will now have a Spanish language requirement added to their already jammed-packed curriculum. No other school in the country boasts such a ridiculous multi-semester (multicultural) requirement.

( Sorry for the length, but this needs wide circulation particularly to our 'employees' in Congress.)

Remember that this is about only ONE hospital in Dallas, Texas. There are many more hospitals across our country that must also deal with this.

And you think this is fair as well ?

I think it sucks........for americans

Here's what CEO of Parkland Hospital had to say about your spam e-mail in 2008...these are just sections of the article...be sure and read the whole thing...

It is my position that our health system should in no way allow the care of someone who is seriously ill or injured to be compromised because of citizenship status. We have a clear mandate to provide medical care to all who enter our health system.

Care must be based upon a patient's medical need and not upon medically unrelated and irrelevant factors such as race, creed, color, or nationality. A hospital is not the place to negotiate or enforce immigration policies.

Contrary to some views, undocumented immigrants are not the cause of crowding in our emergency department. Today, most emergency rooms are crowded with patients seeking treatment because they do not have access to an ongoing source of primary care (i.e., they have no "medical home). Texas has the highest rate of people without medical insurance in the nation

In my home state of Texas, there is no personal income tax; thus, there is no dodging of state income tax by undocumented workers because the bulk of state revenues are raised through sales and ad valorem taxes.

Finally, beyond the legal and business considerations, I am guided both by my training as a physician and my religious convictions. As a physician, I took the Hippocratic Oath, and nothing in that oath condones denying care to a person because of citizenship status.

Why We Should Care for the Undocumented

So you want to pay for illegals ?